Golden Eagle vs Fox--is this real?
Every now and then I'm sent an incredible photo and a warning bell will go off. The last one was the photo of the black bear going after some bird feeders. The person who had sent me the photos had gotten if after a long line of forwarding. No one knew who originally sent the photo, but was sure the photos were taken near Detroit Lakes, MN. After some digging on "the Google" I found that some websites had it, but no one was taking credit for the photos. Hmmm, were they photo shopped? I found one message board where people were arguing about the trees in the background. This site said the photos were from Canada, but a tree expert said the trees weren't native to North American and someone else anonymously said the photos were taken at a zoo in Russia.
I still have no idea where the photos came from or what the story is.
Here is the latest:
It's a golden eagle in the middle of an altercation with a fox. The photo comes with a note "Taken by a hunter in Montana." My assessment of the situation is that the fox and magpie (small bird flying away on the right) were checking out the carcass and the golden decided that it wanted the food and made an attack on the fox to scare it away.
What makes me suspicious is that no one seems to be taking credit for the photo and there is no back story to go with it. Is it photo shopped? Was the eagle landing on the carcass and then someone added in the fox later? Was the scene staged on a game farm? With the position of the bird and fox, jesses on the eagle's feet could easily be edited out.
I've been sent the photo from a few sources and no one seems to know who took the photo. I did some checking on Google and found that there is no entry on Snopes, but the Snopes message boards are talking about the photo. At this time there doesn't appear to be a clear consensus on the photo. I have no doubt that this is possible. Golden eagles will go after large prey--especially younger eagle learning what they can and cannot hunt. I have seen young goldens take pot shots at deer and turkey. A few years ago there was golden that several people witnessed attacking white tailed deer. Usually, the young birds learn that it takes a lot of energy and rarely a food reward so they give up and end up going after easy to kill prey.
I hear stories from all types of people of goldens taking all sorts of animals. If someone tells them they witnessed an eagle carrying away sheep, deer, antelope, etc I don't believe them. Eagles are only able to carry half their weight in flight and considering goldens average between 10 - 12 pounds, it's not possible for them to carry away anything too heavy. Can they kill something bigger than they are that is on the ground and eat it gradually--you betcha! However, the risk of going after healthy prey is a danger to them, they tend to go for weak, injured, or young who do not have parents smart enough to protect them.
I kept searching for more on the photo and found a discussion on a hunting blog about golden eagles going after mule deer and other odd prey (someone in the comments section also references the young golden we had in MN that went after the deer and turkeys).
Here's an example from You Tube. This looks to be a Spanish video on falconry techniques with a golden eagle. From my limited understanding, they were taking the golden out to hunt and weren't aware of the fox and the golden decides to go for it. The falconer freaks out and goes to intervene. The eagle has a firm grip on the fox but the fox is putting up one heck of a fight. If the golden's feet get injured by bites from the fox, the bird will be at a huge risk for infection and probably die. The video is about a minute and a half long, watch it at your own risk.
THERE IS NOW AN UPDATE TO THIS POST HERE. THE PHOTO IS REAL.
I still have no idea where the photos came from or what the story is.
Here is the latest:
It's a golden eagle in the middle of an altercation with a fox. The photo comes with a note "Taken by a hunter in Montana." My assessment of the situation is that the fox and magpie (small bird flying away on the right) were checking out the carcass and the golden decided that it wanted the food and made an attack on the fox to scare it away.What makes me suspicious is that no one seems to be taking credit for the photo and there is no back story to go with it. Is it photo shopped? Was the eagle landing on the carcass and then someone added in the fox later? Was the scene staged on a game farm? With the position of the bird and fox, jesses on the eagle's feet could easily be edited out.
I've been sent the photo from a few sources and no one seems to know who took the photo. I did some checking on Google and found that there is no entry on Snopes, but the Snopes message boards are talking about the photo. At this time there doesn't appear to be a clear consensus on the photo. I have no doubt that this is possible. Golden eagles will go after large prey--especially younger eagle learning what they can and cannot hunt. I have seen young goldens take pot shots at deer and turkey. A few years ago there was golden that several people witnessed attacking white tailed deer. Usually, the young birds learn that it takes a lot of energy and rarely a food reward so they give up and end up going after easy to kill prey.
I hear stories from all types of people of goldens taking all sorts of animals. If someone tells them they witnessed an eagle carrying away sheep, deer, antelope, etc I don't believe them. Eagles are only able to carry half their weight in flight and considering goldens average between 10 - 12 pounds, it's not possible for them to carry away anything too heavy. Can they kill something bigger than they are that is on the ground and eat it gradually--you betcha! However, the risk of going after healthy prey is a danger to them, they tend to go for weak, injured, or young who do not have parents smart enough to protect them.
I kept searching for more on the photo and found a discussion on a hunting blog about golden eagles going after mule deer and other odd prey (someone in the comments section also references the young golden we had in MN that went after the deer and turkeys).
Here's an example from You Tube. This looks to be a Spanish video on falconry techniques with a golden eagle. From my limited understanding, they were taking the golden out to hunt and weren't aware of the fox and the golden decides to go for it. The falconer freaks out and goes to intervene. The eagle has a firm grip on the fox but the fox is putting up one heck of a fight. If the golden's feet get injured by bites from the fox, the bird will be at a huge risk for infection and probably die. The video is about a minute and a half long, watch it at your own risk.
THERE IS NOW AN UPDATE TO THIS POST HERE. THE PHOTO IS REAL.











21 Comments:
No clue on the eagle fox thing but it doesn't LOOK real -- something about the scale seems off to me but what do I know! :)
But, my parents live in the Sierra Nevada mountains. They feed the birds. If they don't bring their feeders in at night in the summer, the bears come to visit. Bears, it turns out, like thistle seed very much.
I'll ask them to get a picture the next time this happens. Although they are usually on the deck yelling at the bear who is holding up one paw while he pours the thistle seed into his gaping maw and says in a thought balloon, "Just one minute, please! Nearly done!"
I think its been 'shopped. If you rotate the image of the fox, he looks as if he was originally(in the *real* photo of him) digging for something and he was cut and pasted into this picture on the diagonal. And the eagles talons haven't actually connected with him either, if you look closely. That means he was standing on his front legs waiting to get grabbed.
If you look at the carcass on the ground, its definitely got a "blur" applied to the interior, so you know its been altered. They did a fine job on most of the picture, but that blur is a dead give away.
It COULD be shopped, but logically it could also be real. It is possible though not probable. Golden eagles rule!
Look at the Fox's front paw. It is a very straight line, like it was cropped. Obviously a doctored photo.
The best argument for the picture being "shopped" is that there is no reason for the fox to be in that particular position, front paws on the ground, rear ones up in the air: the eagle hasn't even touched it yet, so one would presume the fox would face the approaching bird to defend itself.
I have once seen a Golden Eagle carry the front half of what appeared to be a fox to its nest, so these things do happen. This might have been a young fox though, I couldn't tell.
If the fox is three feet long then the approximate wingspan on the eagle is at least ten feet. Sure looks photoshopped. Plus, the perspective looks all wrong.
I'm throwing in another vote for photoshopped.
The fox doesn't have the same clarity & definition as the rest of the picture. When you look at it full size the fox almost seems to be more pixelated.
Also, as someone pointed out, the fox's front paw is cut off in a straight line.
~Other Sharon
Birdforum is down right now but someone who claimed to know the photographer posted it on there in a thread about an eagle (I've forgotten the species) trying to take one of Hong Kongs only 2 white fronted geese. The thread is worth a look for the other pics alone but might give you more detail.
Also worth a look on the eagle/big mammal front is Darren Naish's blog post "When eagles go bad" - I can't do clicky links but google should hook you up. The red deer footage he refers to was amazing.
Its very easy to write these shots off as photoshopped but I think people have become to untrusting of digital images and there is a tendency to assume photoshop just because something looks surprising.
I'm not saying I don't trust the image because it's surprising. As I said in the blog, golden eagles will go after large and unusual prey. I am suspicious that this image is popping up in email and on websites without a back story or the photographer's name.
I've been a falconer for a long time and it is common for eagles to hunt fox when used in falconry. I don't know if the photo is shopped or not but red fox, hares, and roe deer are traditionally hunted with golden eagles throughout europe. If your interested google "golden eagles, falconry, roe deer" and maybe even through in checheslavakia(sp?). In the U.S. there are a few falconers hunting with eagles. www.joeatkinsonseaglejournal.com has some photos or I can post some of I have if you are interested. J
That pic has made the rounds before. And I don't believe it anymore now than I did then.
The link to the recent post on BirdForum is below.
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=73894
The explanation from the supposed photographer explains that the eagle was coming in to push the fox off of the elk carcass. I think it is legitimate. He claims to be from Alberta and part of the Rocky Mountain Eagle Research Foundation.
Disbelieve if you must, but that seems awfully cynical. How often while out birding do you see something "unbelievable"? Just because we don't catch it on film does that mean it didn't happen?
Just my 2 cents.
Andy - Newark, CA
Gee Whiz, fellas, how often do I have to explain that my problem with the photo has NOTHING to do with the idea of a golden eagle going after a fox? I'll say it again:
I, Sharon Stiteler aka Birdchick aka Shaz, believes that a golden eagle can take a fox. I linked to a video in this entry of a golden taking a fox--a video. I wrote that I've seen goldens take pot shots at deer and turkeys.
My problem with the photo that makes it come off as Urban Legendish is that it's making the rounds in email with no credit to the photographer and claims of it being taken in various areas: Colorado, Montana, Canada, etc.
I'm starting to feel Tom Nelsonish.
Sorry Sharon my comments about people becoming untrusting was more at some of the comments like anonymous' "obviously doctored" remark. By way of comparison check out this scubaboard thread on a great white shark photo:http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=129552 even though I and others repeatedly point out who the photographer is, where it was taken and which reputably magazines it was in people continue to log on and on no basis call PS just cos its an eyepopper.
I made my comments" I think its been 'shopped" not as a birder, (because I'm not much of a birder), but as an artist, photographer, and daily (sometimes for hours and hours) user of Photoshop. I haven't a clue what a Golden Eagle eats, but I know Photoshop when I see it. The Eagle pic is very well done, but I stand by my "shopped" statement, and this is why...... If anyone out there has Photoshop or a photo-editing program, open the eagle pic with it. Hit Invert. And *maybe* zoom in.Take good look at the darker edge surrounding the fox and the magpie. Look at how the fox doesn't seem to fit in so well anymore. It seems like a cutout. If you go to another photo from Birdchick
that you know is real, do the same thing. Compare the two. Everything is much more seamless in the authentic picture. This is why I think it is Photoshopped.
I want to clarify that if you hit "Invert", the colors should be inverted, not the picture itself. The effect is like a negative of the original image.
Hi! I just found yoru site and I love it. I am a falconer as well. A Golden will take a fox but that doesn't seem like the way they would do it. I would expect to see either the eagle with its talons locked on the fox near its head and the wings more tucked in or just "braked". I think the fox is what has been added to the picture as it looks more like a picture of a golden sailing into whatever the remains are there.
The photo is real but it is only part of the story. Follow link
http://www.tarsiger.com/index.php?pic_id=komi1142612071&lang=fin
Hi Sharon,
Regarding that YouTube video you posted earlier, it is indeed a Spanish video of a real fox hunt. The voiceover goes something like this:
"After a hard struggle between the two great predators, Angel (the falconer) runs towards Belagua (sp.?)(the eagle). The eagle has been bitten on a leg by the fox, but the injury is not a serious one."
Then it goes on to say something about the magical moments in the practice of falconry that they just lived through.
Cheers,
Kike.
Thanks so much for the translation!
Sharon
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