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		<title>By: Birdchick</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13143</link>
		<dc:creator>Birdchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter Kitundu

Your sign is five kinds of awesome.</description>
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<p>Your sign is five kinds of awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: birdermurdermomma</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13133</link>
		<dc:creator>birdermurdermomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve had a police officer show up at our door, too. We invited him in to take a look through the spotting scope set up in our living room. He saw the ducks on the pond, and not the neighbor who assumed we were keeping tabs on her.  I originally had this incident in my first Birder Murder book, then edited it out. I&#039;m sure it will show up in one of the future novels, though - it&#039;s just too good to pass up and obviously it&#039;s something other birders can relate to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had a police officer show up at our door, too. We invited him in to take a look through the spotting scope set up in our living room. He saw the ducks on the pond, and not the neighbor who assumed we were keeping tabs on her.  I originally had this incident in my first Birder Murder book, then edited it out. I&#8217;m sure it will show up in one of the future novels, though &#8211; it&#8217;s just too good to pass up and obviously it&#8217;s something other birders can relate to.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie s</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13129</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birds don&#039;t commit crimes.  Living on the pacific coast in oregon we have lots of protected wetlands and shorebirds.  The dunes and timber deputies do spend time noticing the birds and other wild life in their area because they (the deputies) are tasked with protecting those areas and the natural inhabitants.  My patrol deputies, on the other hand, are more focused on people, buildings, and property. Overall though, courtesy and education tends to make interactions between law abiding people and police much smoother.  Maybe showing a birding book where the person lists all the birds they have seen, or a card like mentioned above would be a great way to approach the officer.  Resisting arrest and assault on an officer would lead me to believe there is more to the story than what we have so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birds don&#8217;t commit crimes.  Living on the pacific coast in oregon we have lots of protected wetlands and shorebirds.  The dunes and timber deputies do spend time noticing the birds and other wild life in their area because they (the deputies) are tasked with protecting those areas and the natural inhabitants.  My patrol deputies, on the other hand, are more focused on people, buildings, and property. Overall though, courtesy and education tends to make interactions between law abiding people and police much smoother.  Maybe showing a birding book where the person lists all the birds they have seen, or a card like mentioned above would be a great way to approach the officer.  Resisting arrest and assault on an officer would lead me to believe there is more to the story than what we have so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13125</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same problem in Rochester NY while taking photos while taking my granddaughter on a stroller ride.  I as reported as looking in people&#039;s windows.  When police saw my photos he let me go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same problem in Rochester NY while taking photos while taking my granddaughter on a stroller ride.  I as reported as looking in people&#8217;s windows.  When police saw my photos he let me go.</p>
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		<title>By: Art D.</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13124</link>
		<dc:creator>Art D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad that police officers, who by their duties are required to be keenly observant of what is within their jurisdictions, would fail to notice that there are birds around all year long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad that police officers, who by their duties are required to be keenly observant of what is within their jurisdictions, would fail to notice that there are birds around all year long.</p>
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		<title>By: djamesb</title>
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		<dc:creator>djamesb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems if you are close to a school and see  the lifer of the day you cannot avoid police showing up at your door later. I had this happen, not realizing I was close to a school because I was looking in the tree. I guess someone phoned my license plate in. Oh well it got sorted when they saw the photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems if you are close to a school and see  the lifer of the day you cannot avoid police showing up at your door later. I had this happen, not realizing I was close to a school because I was looking in the tree. I guess someone phoned my license plate in. Oh well it got sorted when they saw the photos.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren and Lisa Strobel</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13118</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren and Lisa Strobel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doing a fair bit of birding in Washington, DC, where I work, I am more than familiar with this phenomenon. DC has more police, and types of police forces, than other US cities. I&#039;ve been questioned, or looked at, more than once by law enforcement officers, as have other fellow birders.

As I drive over Capitol Hill en route to the office after some pre-work birding, I ask myself - should I hide the bins, or is that suspicious behavior? Better to leave them in plain view?

It&#039;s all Homeland Security Overkill, but a bit of diplomacy goes a long way... 

Let me see, who is more likely to spot a potential terrorist - a couch potato watching soaps, or a keen-eyed, observant birder walking around outside? :)

- Warren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing a fair bit of birding in Washington, DC, where I work, I am more than familiar with this phenomenon. DC has more police, and types of police forces, than other US cities. I&#8217;ve been questioned, or looked at, more than once by law enforcement officers, as have other fellow birders.</p>
<p>As I drive over Capitol Hill en route to the office after some pre-work birding, I ask myself &#8211; should I hide the bins, or is that suspicious behavior? Better to leave them in plain view?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all Homeland Security Overkill, but a bit of diplomacy goes a long way&#8230; </p>
<p>Let me see, who is more likely to spot a potential terrorist &#8211; a couch potato watching soaps, or a keen-eyed, observant birder walking around outside? <img src='http://www.birdchick.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- Warren</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Kitundu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Kitundu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the police called on me repeatedly for photographing birds in a local, somewhat affluent, city park here in San Francisco. I dressed nicely and was endlessly polite, and then one day, a man called the police on me and didn&#039;t bother to move out of earshot. I could hear him describing me to the police. I asked him, &quot;Sir, do you have any questions - you can talk to me. What are you afraid of?&quot; And he said, &quot;The Police will take care of you!&quot; And he ran off, on a lovely Sunday morning at 9am. I put these posters up all over the park in response.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacksonwest/112085715/sizes/l/

They never called the police on me again - and it started a wonderful dialogue within the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the police called on me repeatedly for photographing birds in a local, somewhat affluent, city park here in San Francisco. I dressed nicely and was endlessly polite, and then one day, a man called the police on me and didn&#8217;t bother to move out of earshot. I could hear him describing me to the police. I asked him, &#8220;Sir, do you have any questions &#8211; you can talk to me. What are you afraid of?&#8221; And he said, &#8220;The Police will take care of you!&#8221; And he ran off, on a lovely Sunday morning at 9am. I put these posters up all over the park in response.</p>
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<p>They never called the police on me again &#8211; and it started a wonderful dialogue within the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Daveabirding</title>
		<link>http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/01/birder-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-13116</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveabirding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it unsettling that a hobby I pursue to seek moments of solitude and harmony with nature can cause unease in others.  I have encountered some individuals who have had concerns about birding, birders, and the &#039;reach&#039; of our gear, and our intent on using it, and I do appreciate where they come from.  Ironically, it is probably birders, who train themselves to notice movement, change in behavior, and detail, who are in a best position to note suspicious behavior in their communities.   
I carry a set of &#039;birder&#039; cards with me that list my name, email, and blog address.  Generally they are for those people who stop to ask me what I am photographing when I have a bird in my sites, but I hope they would also be taken into account were I ever to be in a situation where I needed to explain my activities.  
I try to remind myself that the importance I place on a sighting or potential picture would never measure up to a parent or spouse&#039;s feeling of protection were they to believe that a loved one&#039;s privacy had been violated.   I would hope that with that attitiude and a general communicative and understanding personality that I would never find myself in that position, but were I to do so I know that there would never be reason to additionally list resisting arrest or assault on a police officer.   I mean come on, birding goes so far, but were a cop to say &quot;jump!&quot; I would ask &quot;how high,... sir?&quot;   
Common sense goes a long way, don&#039;t aim optics directly at homes, especially doors or windows, and respect private property.  I try to keep in mind a business phrase that I learned years ago, &quot;the message perceived is the message received&quot;, swap action for message and I believe it sets my attitude correctly should anyone ever question my activities.  

The more I read and digest the more upset I am am with the birder in the story, yeah the cops may have been uneducated or even jerks, but way to cast all birders in a bad light by reacting in what must have been an unacceptable manner.   If we want the uneducated public to share our concerns for the preservation of wild places we had better not make them think that on the whole we are people not to be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it unsettling that a hobby I pursue to seek moments of solitude and harmony with nature can cause unease in others.  I have encountered some individuals who have had concerns about birding, birders, and the &#8216;reach&#8217; of our gear, and our intent on using it, and I do appreciate where they come from.  Ironically, it is probably birders, who train themselves to notice movement, change in behavior, and detail, who are in a best position to note suspicious behavior in their communities.<br />
I carry a set of &#8216;birder&#8217; cards with me that list my name, email, and blog address.  Generally they are for those people who stop to ask me what I am photographing when I have a bird in my sites, but I hope they would also be taken into account were I ever to be in a situation where I needed to explain my activities.<br />
I try to remind myself that the importance I place on a sighting or potential picture would never measure up to a parent or spouse&#8217;s feeling of protection were they to believe that a loved one&#8217;s privacy had been violated.   I would hope that with that attitiude and a general communicative and understanding personality that I would never find myself in that position, but were I to do so I know that there would never be reason to additionally list resisting arrest or assault on a police officer.   I mean come on, birding goes so far, but were a cop to say &#8220;jump!&#8221; I would ask &#8220;how high,&#8230; sir?&#8221;<br />
Common sense goes a long way, don&#8217;t aim optics directly at homes, especially doors or windows, and respect private property.  I try to keep in mind a business phrase that I learned years ago, &#8220;the message perceived is the message received&#8221;, swap action for message and I believe it sets my attitude correctly should anyone ever question my activities.  </p>
<p>The more I read and digest the more upset I am am with the birder in the story, yeah the cops may have been uneducated or even jerks, but way to cast all birders in a bad light by reacting in what must have been an unacceptable manner.   If we want the uneducated public to share our concerns for the preservation of wild places we had better not make them think that on the whole we are people not to be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: melospiza</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Portland, Oregon Christmas Bird Count this year, four of us were driving in a residential neighborhood along the Columbia River checking out feeders and trees and the river beyond when a woman stopped her car alongside ours and asked in a moderately hostile tone, &quot;Why were you looking in my bedroom window with binoculars?&quot;

Our leader/driver did a good job explaining about the CBC and what we were doing, and why it might have looked that way. She seemed to understand, and left mollified, if still a little offended. I was very glad she asked, instead if calling the cops!

Earlier, we had parked in front of another house, looking in the trees, when another woman came outside and asked what we were doing. When we explained, she was excited, and let us come into her backyard, which faced the river, and gave us a view we couldn&#039;t get any other way. She invited us to come back in the afternoon for another look later, and we did, for three eagles and a peregrine.

A lot of people asked, &quot;What are you doing?&quot; We talked about our activities, and showed cool birds through our binos and scope, and only had that one suspicious reaction. I can&#039;t blame the woman. To someone who doesn&#039;t know anything about birding, we probably did look like an SUV full of perverts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Portland, Oregon Christmas Bird Count this year, four of us were driving in a residential neighborhood along the Columbia River checking out feeders and trees and the river beyond when a woman stopped her car alongside ours and asked in a moderately hostile tone, &#8220;Why were you looking in my bedroom window with binoculars?&#8221;</p>
<p>Our leader/driver did a good job explaining about the CBC and what we were doing, and why it might have looked that way. She seemed to understand, and left mollified, if still a little offended. I was very glad she asked, instead if calling the cops!</p>
<p>Earlier, we had parked in front of another house, looking in the trees, when another woman came outside and asked what we were doing. When we explained, she was excited, and let us come into her backyard, which faced the river, and gave us a view we couldn&#8217;t get any other way. She invited us to come back in the afternoon for another look later, and we did, for three eagles and a peregrine.</p>
<p>A lot of people asked, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221; We talked about our activities, and showed cool birds through our binos and scope, and only had that one suspicious reaction. I can&#8217;t blame the woman. To someone who doesn&#8217;t know anything about birding, we probably did look like an SUV full of perverts.</p>
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